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Dragons consider giving deal to centre Williams

Published in Rugby
Tuesday, 22 October 2024 05:55

Wales centre Scott Williams is training with Dragons and head coach Dai Flanagan says they are contemplating giving him a deal.

Williams, 34, left Scarlets last summer and has been looking for a new club.

Dragons are aiming to replace Steff Hughes who is leaving Dragons at the end of October to move to the United States of America to play Major League Rugby (MLR) with Old Glory DC.

Dragons' current four centre options are Joe Westwood, Aneurin Owen, Harry Wilson and Harri Ackerman, who is recovering from a long-term injury.

When asked whether there was a chance of a contract for Williams, Flanagan replied: "For sure, he is chomping at the bit. He has an itch to scratch and people in that situation are usually determined.

"We only have four midfielders when Steff leaves and I have found out in the past that it can get very thin, very quickly.

"If you lose one then you can lose two or three, so there could be an opportunity to see him [Williams] in a Dragons shirt one day."

Pep unhappy with England over Walker injury

Published in Soccer
Tuesday, 22 October 2024 07:52

MANCHESTER, England -- Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola has said he would like more communication from international managers about the physical state of players after Kyle Walker returned from England duty with an injury.

Walker was absent from the City squad for their 2-1 win over Wolves on Sunday after picking up a knee problem during England's 2-0 Nations League win over Finland.

Guardiola has suggested that more contact between club and international managers might be beneficial and highlighted an incident involving John Stones last season which left him "angry."

"Before when I was a player, the national manager called the club manager but now nobody talks," Guardiola said. "For the first or second season with Gareth [Southgate] but not since.

"Sometimes Ronald Koeman [Netherlands manager] because he's a friend of mine. I know they don't want to get injured."

Last season, Stones picked up an injury playing in England's friendly against Belgium and was only fit enough to be a substitute in City's 0-0 draw with Arsenal as the two teams battled for the Premier League title.

"I was never so angry like that moment," Guardiola said. "Never was I so disappointed. It was a friendly game and we're playing the quarterfinals against [Real Madrid] and he comes back injured from a friendly. I didn't like it."

Guardiola is preparing his team for Wednesday's Champions League tie with Sparta Prague at the Etihad Stadium.

Kevin De Bruyne will miss the game as he continues his recovery from injury. The midfielder is back in training but isn't ready to return to action.

"Except for Rodri and Oscar [Bobb], the others are training and guys who are not completely fit like Kevin are getting better," Guardiola said.

"[De Bruyne's injury] is not a big issue but he doesn't feel completely fine and Kevin is not 22 years old any more.

"He has to be fit completely for his football. If he doesn't feel comfortable, he cannot express his potential. He still doesn't feel good so take your time. He has to be [100% ready]."

Raphinha: Williams Barça shirts were disrespectful

Published in Soccer
Tuesday, 22 October 2024 07:52

Barcelona forward Raphinha has said he was hurt by some of the speculation surrounding the club's interest in signing Nico Williams in the summer, labelling it disrespectful and in bad taste.

Barça's pursuit of the Athletic Club and Spain winger raised questions about Raphinha's future, with one photograph of a fan wearing a Williams shirt with the Brazilian's No. 11 on the back going viral during the transfer window.

Raphinha -- who has subsequently started the season in fine form, and is in line to make his 100th Barça appearance against Bayern Munich on Wednesday -- has admitted he was irked by certain things during the summer.

"I saw those [posts] with the shirt on Instagram," he said in a news conference on Tuesday ahead of the Bayern game. "I thought it was a joke in bad taste and it was disrespectful.

"People need to respect the players that are here. We're here giving our best and fighting for the club. To see a photo like that wasn't very nice for me, I took it as a lack of respect.

"Of course, people are free to do what they want, but I did feel a little hurt in that moment."

Raphinha's response has been to up his game on the pitch. Under Hansi Flick, he has found his best form since joining the club from Leeds United in 2022, scoring six goals and providing six assists in 12 appearances in all competitions.

Playing from the left or more centrally, as opposed to on the right wing, he was named LaLiga's Player of the Month for August. He has even worn the captain's armband at times, but he insisted the summer speculation is not behind his improvement.

"It wasn't an added motivator to start the season in the way I did," he added. "I was anxious to give my best for the club. Seeing how many years of my contract I have here [until 2027], it was a crucial point.

"I started the season knowing to play here I have to adapt to different positions and a different style of play. In the past I gave 100%; now I give 200% and I'm always willing to do that for this club.

"[It has been] part mental and part tactical, but also it's very important for me to have the confidence of the coach and my teammates. My mentality at the beginning of the season was different from other years -- I knew I had to adapt to a new position to play here."

Raphinha is not the only player to improve under Flick, with Barça winning 10 of their 12 games under the German coach this season, but they will be tested this week against Bayern and Real Madrid, who they travel to on Saturday in LaLiga for the first Clásico of the campaign.

Bayern arrive at the Olympic Stadium on the back of a six-game winning streak against Barça, including an 8-2 victory when Flick was in the Bayern dugout in 2020.

However, Flick is not concerned by the past as he prepares for a "special" reunion with the team he led to a treble in 2019-20 before taking the Germany national team job in 2021.

"The past doesn't matter," he said in the news conference when asked about the 8-2 specifically. "The here and now is what's important. We can't influence what happened in the past, but we can prepare well for tomorrow.

"Of course it's a special game in this case against Bayern. I played there and I coached there. I have a lot of acquaintances there, players and also people within the management structure.

"It was a great time in my career and I have great memories, but I am in another chapter now here at Barça and I am very happy here."

The matchup pits the LaLiga leaders against the Bundesliga leaders, with Flick complimenting the work done so far by new coach Vincent Kompany.

"Bayern are in very good shape," he said. "Kompany and his coaching team are doing an outstanding job, pressing opponents, brave with the ball and imposing their style on teams. It will be a tough task for us."

Barça and Bayern both have three points from two games in the Champions League this season, increasing the need for both teams to win the game this week.

Gavi, Frenkie de Jong, Fermín López and Dani Olmo are all fit again for Barça, although it remains to be seen if any of them are ready to start the game, with Eric García and long-term absentees Marc-André ter Stegen, Ronald Araújo, Andreas Christensen, Marc Bernal and Ferran Torres all missing out.

Barça's UCL chances hinge on making fewer stupid mistakes

Published in Soccer
Tuesday, 22 October 2024 07:51

The rarified atmosphere around Barcelona which encompasses their often myopic, hysterical media, their downtrodden and traumatised fans, plus a directorate which has spent more time baling water out of the craft than sailing forward over the past few seasons means that defeat to Bayern Munich on Wednesday in the Champions League will tip most of them back into full-on crisis mode despite this season's excellent opening phase.

This, of course, would be a nonsensical position to adopt.

For context, despite playing at home, Barça are are underdogs considering past results. Their all-time record against Germany's most powerful and relentless club is, quite simply, atrocious. Including the infamous 8-2 defeat that completely wrecked the Quique Setien regime four years ago (at the hands of current Barça coach Hansi Flick, remember!) the Catalans' slate against Bayern reads: played 15, won 2, drawn 2, lost 11, scored 16, conceded 37.

This is, by a huge distance, their worst and most humiliating record against any rival in Barcelona's entire 125-year history. Just to seal the case, Barça's last four matches against the Bavarians have been straight defeats, no goals scored and 11 conceded.

If this run continues on Wednesday, Barcelona would sit with three points from a possible nine and, even with five matches left -- Red Star Belgrade away; Brest, home; Borussia Dortmund, away; Benfica, away; Atalanta, home -- Flick's team would be in a precarious position.

After the second matchday, Opta ranked Barcelona as most likely to finish 11th -- meaning no automatic qualification to the knockout rounds (only the top eight) and a play-off tie early next year. But they would be seeded, giving them home advantage for the decisive match in that tie. Defeat at home to Bayern and that estimate will change -- pretty negatively. They're currently 16th in the Champions League, courtesy of goals scored, and it's feasible that defeat would leave them temporarily in the elimination zone.

Any team that finishes 17th to 24th in this new format will play their decisive second leg in the knockout round away from home -- a disadvantage and a prospect to strike utter horror into the hearts of Barcelona's leaders. They literally cannot afford not to make it through to at least the quarterfinal ties -- a financial catastrophe.

But let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, as there's a surefire first step Barcelona can take in order to compete for a draw or (unlikely) win over the Bundesliga leaders: Stop making brainless decisions.

Two of their last three Champions League matches have ended in horrible, damaging defeats, in contests they could and should have won, after they had a player sent off each time. Sent off for instinctive, but daft, decisions.

One instance was when Ronald Araújo (with Barcelona leading PSG 4-2 on aggregate in last season's quarterfinal) brought down Bradley Barcola after he got away from him. The other was when Eric García was fed a misjudged pass by Marc-André ter Stegen, found himself robbed of the ball and pulled Monaco's Takumi Minamino down almost instinctively. Red card again.

Neither decision was crystal clear and both went against Barcelona, but both, in a number of ways, were entirely unavoidable. If they fall into the same traps against Bayern Munich this week they won't simply lose -- they'll be humbled.

Flick, if anything, has his new team playing with an even more daring, advanced, high defensive line than home-bred, Cruyff-disciple Xavi Hernandez did. It's remarkable to watch. Whenever this version of Barcelona feels able to it defends, literally, on the halfway line. The ebb and flow of matches means that their defence's average distance from their goal-line is 51 metres -- a vast, grand canyon of green grass between goalkeeper and his defensive team-mates compared to 99% of other teams. The pitch they'll play upon against Bayern is 105 metres long, indicating that Flick's team will try to defend not far short of that halfway line.

It's a tactic meant to achieve several things. Firstly, it pushes all the action towards the opposition's ability to build from the back. Meaning that not only does Barcelona's pressing and harassing start way high up the pitch, but they can accumulate lots of bodies to crowd the zone where their opponent really doesn't want to lose possession.

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It's a defensive line, which also means that if Barcelona win the ball back when an opposition breakaway dissolves, then the first offensive pass is on or beyond the halfway line -- allowing an instant danger of a goal-pass being created for Flick's side.

Finally, and this is to be borne in mind for the Bayern test, if your rival sees the huge space in behind the defensive line and wants to burst/counter attack into it, then they require to have the calm and accuracy to distribute the ball well and it's imperative they have attacking players, not necessarily the centre-forward, who can out-sprint Barcelona's retreating defenders.

In the PSG instance, they did. Barcola profited from bad distribution by Araújo, as Luis Enrique's plan about how and when to press the Uruguayan (selectively, so they could force him into badly chosen passes) succeeded. Paris played 69 minutes with 11 vs. 10; it was crucial and determined which side went through, as a 4-2 aggregate lead for Barcelona became a PSG 6-4 victory margin. That's a huge swing -- little wonder Ilkay Gündogan criticised Araújo for poor choice-making.

When García got himself red-carded in Monte Carlo for again choosing to commit a last-man foul, the tie was 0-0 and Barcelona went on to comprehensively prove that they could have won with 10 vs. 11 in the ensuing 81 minutes. But they didn't. They were the better team and had better goal chances -- but they were dragged down by playing against a rival with an extra man and, ultimately, were defeated 2-1 by Monaco.

In both instances, the better percentage decision was to let the offensive player get his shot or attack away rather than get sent off.

Modern football, especially in matches both teams want to win (rather than one of them being hell-bent on a draw), with their ebb-and-flow, with the huge investments of athletic energy and with the constant need to avoid tiredness gnawing away at good decision-making and concentration in micro-second moments of difficulty -- is a horrendous place to be if you play for a long period of time with a man less than the other team. That's where Barcelona put themselves twice in the last three outings.

It's quite another thing when, like Dani Carvajal's obvious and fully deliberate red-card foul vs. Germany cost him with an expulsion and a mandatory suspension from the European Championship semifinal -- but almost certainly saved Spain from conceding in added time of extra time (125th minute) while leading 2-1.

Flick will know that if Osasuna -- where Barcelona lost their only match this season and conceded copious ball-over-the-top chances -- can rip his team's high-defence line to absolute shreds then Bayern, on their day, can demonstrably do so too.

Vincent Kompany and his technical staff will have looked too at how Alaves -- even though beaten 3-0 -- might have scored three or four themselves from having got behind Barcelona's defensive line (even though the Basque team was caught offside countless times).

Flick has already confirmed that Barcelona's goalkeeper Iñaki Peña will play on Wednesday, and he looks shaky -- like Bambi on ice, in my opinion. This is a player extremely short on confidence, especially dealing with crosses in a crowded area and positioning himself far out of his penalty area when Barcelona are high up the pitch. He's required to be the sweeper-keeper.

The deduction is this: Bayern will definitely be able to wriggle free of Barcelona's high and mid-press so that they can set runners free in behind the high-defence line. At which point Flick's defenders will be thinking: "I don't really back Peña to make too many one-v-one saves in this situation." And they'll be tempted to commit fouls which, if badly judged, will lead to red-card situations.

They have to ignore that temptation, trust that their teammates can press better as the game goes forward and trust that Peña can produce a performance as good as his work against Osasuna and Alaves was startlingly bad.

If Flick's men have any chance of beating Bayern, they simply can't end up with 10 men for the majority of the match. A situation which is far from unlikely.

Stay tuned, this match will teach us a lot about Spain's league-leaders ahead of El Clásico vs. Real Madrid on Saturday (Stream LIVE: 3 p.m. ET, ESPN+, U.S. only). And about how tough it's going to be to qualify for Champions League football in the new year.

Kyle Verreynne believes his 114 against Bangladesh is the best innings of his short career. He said that handling spin in the heat and humidity of Dhaka, particularly with South Africa under pressure when he came to the crease, made it a special occasion.

Verreynne spent just over four hours to get his second Test century after South Africa had slipped to 99 for 5 in reply to Bangladesh's 106 all out. The visitors ended the first day on 140 for 6 before Verreynne added 119 runs with Wiaan Mulder, who made 54. By the time he was dismissed on the second afternoon, South Africa were ahead by 202 runs, a big lead on the Shere Bangla National Stadium wicket.

Verreynne said that since his maiden Test century in New Zealand came in conditions he is familiar with, he rated his Dhaka knock slightly higher.

"It is definitely the best innings of my Test career," Verreynne said. "It is probably the toughest conditions I have played under in terms of heat and humidity. Back home we don't face long periods of spin bowling. Around 90% of that innings was just against spin. Things happen quickly. You don't have much time to reset from a concentration point of view. This was certainly my most rewarding innings.

"This (century) felt like better just in terms of the context of the game and the conditions. I think New Zealand is a lot similar to our conditions back home. To do in the continent in quite a tough wicket and tough circumstances, it is probably a better innings. The impact will hopefully be bigger than the first (century). I am really happy with it. It has been a long time since the one in NZ, so it is nice to get in another one."

Verreynne was particularly strong on the sweep. According to ESPNcricinfo's stats, he got 49 runs off the 29 sweep shots he attempted which included the slog sweep. He struck five fours and a six in that region. The Bangladesh spinners, usually very good in Dhaka, didn't have much of an answer against Verreynne.

He said that a discussion on the second morning with batting coach Ashley Prince really helped him get a perspective of what to do for the rest of the day. "Wiaan Mulder and I, and the batters chatted this morning. We spoke to batting coach Ashy P (Ashwell Prince) about how we are going to try to go about things. There was no specific emphasis put on playing the sweep.

"It was more just about how we back our options. Make sure we try to score and not go into our shells. We tried to play positively, get into better positions. We spoke to Ashy P about batting with the tail. It gave me a lot of clarity when I was batting with (Dane) Piedt and KG (Kagiso Rabada)."

Verreynne said that he usually plays the sweep shot against spin so he just implemented it regularly in this game but other batters have different styles of scoring runs in their side.

"I don't think there's been any extra emphasis (on the sweep shot). It is something that I have worked on quite a bit against spinners. It is not really a subcontinent specific thing. I would play it back home against spin as much as possible. I faced a lot of spin out there today so it is kind of what I am trying to do.

"A lot of guys have different ways of going about playing it. For me, this is something that I worked on. You saw Wiaan (Mulder), (Tony) de Zorzi and Ryan (Rickelton) scored runs through other areas. It is one of my strengths so I want to stick to it."

Verreynne said that the pitch played better in the morning session but expects it to deteriorate further in the game.

"I think this morning (the pitch) played better than yesterday morning. I don't know if it dried out or there wasn't as much moisture. It seems to be getting tough as the day has gone on, so tomorrow and going further in the Test, (the pitch) will get tougher and tougher."

Mohammad Isam is ESPNcricinfo's Bangladesh correspondent. @isam84

Armed with a menacing inswinger and deceptive slower ball, Indonesia quick Ni Made Putri Suwandewi caught the eye of Perth Scorchers women's coach Becky Grundy and high performance boss Kade Harvey during their visit to Bali earlier in the year.
After closely monitoring her in the ensuing months, and needing pace depth with veteran quick Piepa Cleary sidelined for the entire summer due to a knee injury, Scorchers have signed Suwandewi for the upcoming WBBL season as an Associate rookie.
"The WBBL has been a competition I have admired from afar for a long time, and I am looking forward to being involved as a player this season," said Suwandewi, who joins a Scorchers team led by New Zealand T20 World Cup winning captain Sophie Devine.
WBBL rules allow clubs to sign players from the Associate nations and place them outside the 15-player squad. Suwandewi, 26, has been a leading player for Indonesia since making her international debut in 2019 and has taken 49 wickets from 40 WT20Is at an average of 8.18. Her career economy of 2.97 is the best in the history of T20I women's cricket.

"She bowls a natural inswinger, but has excellent variety with a good slower ball and can hit the yorkers," Harvey told ESPNcricinfo. "She's quite short, but a really skilful bowler."

Suwandewi arrived in Perth on Saturday and has made an early impression during training. "She's got the potential to play a role for us in the tournament," Harvey said.

"She bowls a natural inswinger, but has excellent variety with a good slower ball and can hit the yorkers. She's quite short, but a really skilful bowler."

Scorchers' high performance boss Kade Harvey on Ni Made Putri Suwandewi

"We're going to be missing some international players at different stages. It was a good opportunity to utilise the rules in terms of the Associate rookie. But we wouldn't have done it if we didn't think she was capable of contributing."

Suwandewi's signing emphasises a growing partnership between WA Cricket and Persatuan Cricket Indonesia with an initial focus on women's cricket development.

It led Grundy and Harvey to visit Bali on a four-day trip in April, where they watched Suwandewi play a starring role for Indonesia against Mongolia in various white-ball formats.

"We were really impressed with the standard of cricket from the girls in Indonesia," Harvey said. "They play on astro turf, so we think a big part of their development is getting on good turf wickets.

"But the potential is vast with 200,000 women playing across 21 provinces, which is bigger than what we thought. They've just got such a great work ethic and passion for the game. They probably just need a little bit of help in how to channel that."

While believed to have first been played there in the 1880s, cricket is a minor sport in Indonesia but encouraging progress has been made with the women's team currently ranked 21 in T20Is.

"They want to be a top 10 team in the world," Harvey said. "They've got a really clear goal and we're hoping to facilitate a shift in their high performance environment to help them get there."

Scorchers open the season on October 27 against Melbourne Stars at the WACA.

Sources: Indiana QB Rourke has thumb surgery

Published in Breaking News
Tuesday, 22 October 2024 07:55

The timeline to return for injured Indiana quarterback Kurtis Rourke is coming into focus, as sources told ESPN that Rourke's "prognosis has improved" after he underwent surgery on his injured right thumb Monday.

The successful surgery provided some clarity on a potential return, including optimism that he could be back for Indiana's game at Michigan State on Nov. 2. Rourke is still doubtful for No. 13 Indiana's home game against Washington on Saturday.

Rourke has led Indiana to a historic 7-0 start and stunningly ushered them into the conversation around the College Football Playoff.

The school announced that Rourke is out "indefinitely" after he injured his thumb in a blowout win over Nebraska on Saturday. Rourke didn't return for the second half of the 56-7 win after his hand hit the helmet of a Nebraska defender.

Indiana announced Monday that Rourke was expected back at some point in the 2024 regular season. And there's now optimism that could be for Michigan State, as IU closes with the Spartans, hosts Michigan, plays at Ohio State and then hosts rival Purdue to close the season.

Rourke has been one of the breakout stars of the 2024 season, including entering the Heisman Trophy race as Indiana has emerged as one of the biggest surprises of the year.

Rourke, a transfer from Ohio who is in his sixth year of college football, has completed 74.6% of his passes in his first year at IU. He's thrown 15 touchdowns, three interceptions and led an offense that ranks No. 1 nationally in scoring offense with 48.7 points per game.

Rourke transferred to Indiana to play for first-year coach Curt Cignetti, one of 27 transfers who've completely flipped the perception of Indiana football. IU went 3-9 last year.

Overall, Indiana is No. 5 in the country in total offense (512.7 yards per game) and No. 5 in third-down conversion percentage (54.2%).

Indiana is 7-0 for the first time since 1967. Backup quarterback Tayven Jackson is expected to start for Indiana against Washington, the sixth start of the redshirt sophomore's career.

ANTHONY EDWARDS GRIPS the seams of a football in his right hand and aims for a basketball hoop about 20 feet away. With a short stride forward on his left foot, he uncorks an easy spiral that sails toward the rim -- he knows it's going in from the moment he lets go.

"I don't just be talking," he yells, just before the ball swishes through the net. "I DON'T JUST BE MOTHERF---ING TALKING."

Justin Jefferson laughs as he bounces a basketball up to the spot where Edwards made his shot. Wearing a black No. 5 Timberwolves jersey with black sweatpants, Jefferson takes a few high dribbles to collect himself. "Damn, I got to make it," he says as Edwards talks trash in the background. There's music blasting and dozens of people surrounding them, snapping photos and making videos on both cameras and phones. Yet, Jefferson and Edwards are locked in.

The two superstars are playing PIG against each other inside a massive warehouse and studio space in Minneapolis. It's late August, a week before the NFL season kicks off and over a month before the NBA season begins. They're here for an interview and photo shoot, recreating the image all Minnesota sports fans and beyond have been dying to see.

In 2000, Kevin Garnett and Randy Moss posed together for an issue of Sport magazine, wearing each other's jerseys after Moss suggested the swap. The image still speaks to new generations. Now, two young, Black, ultratalented and charismatic showmen have taken over the Minnesota sports world once again. That's why they want to honor the past while creating a new image to represent their own legacies in the Twin Cities.

It's more than 30 minutes past the end of their photo shoot obligations, but they're still trading buckets, laughs and trash talk. Edwards, a youth football phenom in Georgia, insists he can throw a football through the hoop more times than Jefferson, a former standout hooper in Louisiana, can knock down jump shots.

Edwards, wearing a pair of black Wolves basketball shorts and a purple No. 18 Vikings jersey that is too short for his torso, is winning the game. Now, Jefferson steps into a jump shot, his right arm extended in the air, posing for the follow-through. The ball sails through the net, and Jefferson's head snaps toward Edwards. "Yeaaah. Yeaaah," Jefferson says with a smile, nodding as the two come face-to-face for a moment, with Edwards left speechless.

It's clear this is about more than just two friends playing PIG. It's about proving something to each other. Edwards and Jefferson both grew up and went to college in the South, then got drafted to Minnesota in 2020 -- Jefferson at No. 22 by the NFL's Vikings, Edwards first overall by the NBA's Wolves. Neither of them knew much about Minneapolis, except that it gets cold. Edwards and his friends would play Lil Yachty's "Minnesota" in the lead-up to his draft -- "Cause it get cold like Minnesota. Cold like Minnesota."

As Jefferson, a Pro Bowl wide receiver, and Edwards, an All-Star shooting guard, rose to the top of their respective leagues, they formed a friendship and bond, signing huge contracts to spend their primes playing for two teams starved for championships. Edwards and Jefferson have emerged as Minnesota's next bastion of hope, and together they aspire to be tied to this city for the long haul -- but now the pressure is on to deliver more than highlights and thrills.

"I just want to bring a championship to Minnesota," Jefferson says. "The people are too good here. The fan base is too good. It's been a long time coming."

"If I can, I'm trying to be here for my whole career," Edwards says.

"I ain't trying to go nowhere."

If you were keeping score, Edwards wins the game. But they stopped keeping track of the rules a long time ago. Instead, Edwards and Jefferson keep trading shots like two friends on a playground. They're not sure when they'll have time to do this again, so they're making the most of it.


EDWARDS IS LATE arriving at the shoot because he is too consumed with getting revenge. Cam Newton, the 2015 NFL MVP, recently defeated him in Madden NFL 25, and Edwards couldn't let it slide when his manager ribbed him for it.

"If he ever loses [at anything], he's going to make sure that he practices and practices and practices until he's ready to play you again," said Justin Holland, Edwards' longtime trainer and business manager. "And you probably won't win."

Edwards takes Madden very seriously. Even his most avid gamer friends and teammates who spoke to ESPN for this story avoid playing against him; he's that intense. And so it was that Edwards challenged Newton online, right before the shoot. Edwards won 36-5. Finally, he arrives at the warehouse and daps up Jefferson in the dressing room.

For our interview, Jefferson sits on a leather brown two-seater couch while Edwards takes a sofa chair across the table from me. On a stand sitting next to them is a 24-by-24 photo of Garnett and Moss from Sport magazine. They will use it for reference later in the day when they recreate their own.

Like Garnett and Moss, both Edwards and Jefferson played the other's sport growing up. Jefferson excelled at hoops as a kid, learning the game from his father and playing in the backyard with his two older brothers. Edwards first fell in love with football and played all over the field. It wasn't until Edwards' brother got good at basketball that Edwards decided he should start focusing on hoops to outdo his sibling.

When I ask him if he could've gone to the NFL, Edwards doesn't hesitate. "Yeah, fasho."

What stopped him?

"I got hurt," Edwards says.

In eighth grade, Edwards broke an ankle near the end of football season, forcing him to miss the upcoming basketball season. After that, it was time to hang up the cleats for good.

"He got huuuuuuuurt," Jefferson says laughing as his 6-foot-1 frame spreads over the couch.

Edwards believes he could have gone pro in football had he stuck with it. Let Edwards tell it, he can still play in the NFL.

"If I win a ring in the next three to four years," Edwards says, pausing to emphasize what was coming.

"You're not going to football," Jefferson says, shaking his head.

"I'm going to play football," Edwards continues.

"No, you're not," Jefferson says.

"And this gon' be one of the reasons why -- because he think I can't play football. I'ma come play with you."

"Watch, he gon' get hit one time ..."

"I'm going to be [doing the hitting], though. I'm going to be playing strong safety."

Edwards says he would be like Kam Chancellor, the four-time Pro Bowler who helped lead the Seattle Seahawks to a Super Bowl win in 2014. His friends and teammates hear this all the time.

"He said the same thing to me," Wolves center Naz Reid told me, shaking his head. "He say he could play tennis."

"I've heard he can play in the NFL, MLB, NHL," Wolves guard Mike Conley said as he rolls his eyes.

"If it was quarterback, he think he'll be the right-handed Michael Vick," said Nick Maddox, Edwards' childhood friend. "If he was going to be a receiver, he'll mention 'Megatron' Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones. Cornerback, you know he gon' say Deion [Sanders]."

"Punt returner, Devin Hester," Maddox continued. "You say running back, he gon' say Adrian Peterson."

Edwards -- at 6-foot-4 and 225 pounds -- says he'd be much bigger if he lifted and trained like a football player. He believes several other NBA players could also make the transition: LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, Marcus Smart, Luguentz Dort and Jalen Suggs.

"Y'all got some athletic guys," Jefferson concedes for a moment. "But when you put on them shoulder pads and helmet, y'all gon' get hit and you'll be like, 'Oh no. This not for me -- back to basketball.'"

"Y'all can't come play basketball though," Edwards says.

Jefferson plays pickup basketball in the offseason as a form of cardio, though he tries to stick to shooting to avoid injury. In 2021, a highlight reel of Jefferson went viral, showing he can still get above the rim. He says now he never had the advanced training to work on his handle and the nuances of basketball, but with that proper training, he thinks he could play in the pros.

"I ain't saying I'm gon' be the best player in the league," Jefferson says with his hands extended. "But I'm going to get somewhere."

Edwards isn't having it.

"Just off my athletic ability, I'ma score at least ..." Jefferson starts.

"Nooo, not in the NBA," Edwards cuts him off.

"You crazy. You don't think I'll get somewhere?" Jefferson says.

"Oh, you'll be somewhere ..." Edwards says. The two share a laugh.


AS JEFFERSON LIT up scoreboards at LSU alongside Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase, and the Tigers' football team went on a 15-0 title run in 2019, Edwards was taking notice. At the time, he was entering the SEC as a freshman at Georgia, looking to make a mark of his own.

"They went crazy that year," Edwards recalls. "That's when he was dancing. I'm like, 'That's me if I could play football. I'd be putting on a show in the end zone. I'd be talking trash.'"

As Edwards tells this story, Jefferson begins to flex and slap his bicep with a toothy smile.

"Say it one more time," Jefferson says.

"Nah, I ain't gon' give you too much," Edwards says.

"Say it one more time."

"Stand down."

After winning the national championship, Jefferson declared for the NFL draft as a junior. His combine performance was so impressive, including running the 40-yard dash in 4.43 seconds, that Vikings legend Cris Carter called the front office and told them they needed to draft Jefferson. "I saw all the other receivers there," Carter said. "I really thought that he had a chance to be the best."

After the Vikings drafted Jefferson, Carter helped get Jefferson accustomed to Minneapolis. Carter compared the city to the environment at LSU: passionate fans, packed stadiums and a program that produces all-time great wide receivers.

"You know Minnesota's gonna have receivers," said Keenan McCardell, the Vikings' receivers coach and former NFL wideout. "It might be the man upstairs. Pushing 'em all here to play indoors and play fast."

Still, moving to a new city was not an easy adjustment, especially in April 2020. Most of the country was still restricted by the coronavirus pandemic. That May, George Floyd was murdered by a police officer in Minneapolis, inciting a summer of protests and unrest. "I'm just trying to fit in myself, trying to figure out what was about to go down for our season," Jefferson says. "We was talking about not even having a season. It was definitely crazy -- a crazy time period."

In the third game of Jefferson's rookie season, he scored his first touchdown, a 71-yard dash punctuated by the Griddy, his now signature touchdown dance. "He was very excited to show the world the Griddy on the NFL stage," said his brother Jordan, who played quarterback at LSU from 2008 to 2011. Back when his little brother was in high school, Jordan taught Justin how to be an entertainer on the field. They watched the greats across hoops and football who were known for their alter egos -- LeBron James (King James), Kobe Bryant (Black Mamba), Odell Beckham (OBJ) -- and how they transformed personas on the field.

"Maybe about a week, two weeks later we had the whole high school calling him J-Jets, J-Jettas, Jets," Jordan said. "I would describe J-Jets as tenacious, a leader, an entertainer. Someone who knows how to show up when the bright lights come on."

In 2020, Jefferson broke the single-season rookie record for most receiving yards in the Super Bowl era (1,400) and was named second-team All-Pro. As the season was winding down, he started paying attention to the Wolves and their own rookie sensation, after the team had selected Edwards with the No. 1 pick in the draft. It almost felt like they were destined to be connected.

"I had to tap in and be a fan of him from up close," Jefferson says. "That's when it all started for real."


EDWARDS DIDN'T QUITE explode on the Minnesota scene the way Jefferson did. He initially came off the bench for a team that had finished with the third-worst record in the league the season before. He'd sometimes play 30 minutes, sometimes play 17; he scored 26 points in one January game, then zero points two games later.

"You could just tell how young [Edwards] was," Reid told me. "He didn't speak much. He just kind of took [everything] in and learned. It was a lot, but he took it in well."

After starting the 2020-21 season 7-24, the Wolves fired coach Ryan Saunders. A few days after new coach Chris Finch took over, the team had a road trip with an off day in Washington, D.C., so Finch used the opportunity to set up one-on-one meetings to get to know his players.

Finch remembers a 19-year-old Edwards walking into the room with the same wide smile and gravitational positivity he sees today. Edwards opened up right away about his background and family -- how he lost both his mother and grandmother to cancer in the same year in 2015 and how it makes him try to appreciate every day he's alive.

"I felt for him," Finch told me. "He was just starting to find his feet in the middle of the season when they made the coaching change. He was a little nervous about how it might affect him. Young player who's trying to find himself, particularly ones that have the pressure of being a No. 1 pick ... they feel maybe the pressure or the need to be everything."

Finch tried to get Edwards to focus on what he was good at. That meant attacking the basket more frequently, taking fewer pull-up jump shots and creating more catch-and-shoot opportunities to generate easy points. Less than three weeks later, Finch finally saw things click. Edwards scored 42 points in a win against the Suns, becoming the third-youngest player in NBA history to score 40 or more points in a game.

"For the first moment, we could see what the future might look like," Finch said.

Edwards finished second in Rookie of the Year voting and was named to the All-Rookie first team. He has increased his scoring average every year since, from 19.3 points per game as a rookie to 25.9 last season, when he finished seventh in the MVP voting and made second-team All-NBA. His confidence as a player has never been higher, even if that confidence sometimes plays out in ways that sometimes might irk a coach -- such as taking an ill-advised 3-pointer late in a game, instead of managing the clock, just because his opponent made a 3-pointer on the previous play.

"He wasn't even being reckless," Finch said. "He was just, like, 'Oh, well, you punch me, I'm going to punch you back.'"

"He's real. Not only is he real; people like him. I tell him all the time, 'You have a personality where everybody wants to follow you. That gives you a leg up on being a great leader.'"

Just like Jefferson, Edwards needed time to adjust to living in Minneapolis, making frequent trips home to Georgia during his first few seasons. But also like Jefferson, he sensed a connection to another rising star in the city who appeared to be going through the same thing. And so Edwards started going to Vikings games, as Jefferson was establishing himself as one of the best receivers in the NFL.

"He was going crazy," Edwards says. "Then I went to the game when they played the Giants and he was going crazy. So I'm like, 'Man, I've got to be a fan.' Then he came to one of my games -- and we've been just locked in ever since."


BEFORE THERE WAS Ant and JJ, there was KG and Moss. The original magazine shoot took only about 10 minutes, and both legends - Garnett was 23 and Moss 22 at the time -- wish they would've savored that moment, not knowing they wouldn't end their careers in Minnesota. "We would've probably did a lot more for this photo shoot," Moss said in 2017.

"And probably a lot more just enjoying each other, enjoying the city because it was some great days -- it wasn't all bad," Garnett said.

"We were able to just support one another, that was the biggest thing," Moss said. "You come to my games, I come to your games."

Today, their photo looms over Edwards and Jefferson, as the two Minnesota stars open up on what their predecessors meant to them and the state. "The Minnesota greats," Jefferson says. "They definitely had Minnesota on lockdown. We're the two next ones for sure."

"KG, the best Minnesota basketball player of all time. And right now, I'm trying to go for that," Edwards says. "And Randy, I mean, I like [Adrian Peterson], too, but Randy's the best. JJ trying to go for that."

Edwards got to know Moss mostly through playing Madden. Jefferson used to watch YouTube videos of Moss' highlight-reel catches and then would try to mimic them on the field.

"He's doing nothing but verticals," Jefferson says. "Seeing that as a little kid and going out there, trying to do the same thing. I'm trying to Moss little kids as well. Even still today, you know, kids are still saying, 'Oh, you got Mossed,' or, 'I Mossed you.'"

"Yeah, that name is gonna stick around forever," Edwards says. "But I love his celebrations. He made me wanna play football so I could celebrate. And then, I mean, I like to talk trash, so I love KG. He talked a lotta trash. That's the same way I am. We're the same person."

Edwards caught the ire of Garnett this summer after telling The Wall Street Journal that Michael Jordan was the only player with skills during his era. Legends such as Isiah Thomas and Magic Johnson fired back at Edwards. Garnett took exception, too, questioning whether players of the current generation could have played in the more physically demanding game of the 1990s.

"You got to know what you're talking about to be in the argument or discussion of what we're talking about," Garnett said during an appearance on the "All The Smoke" podcast. "I root for you, young fella, but know what you're talking about, young fella, because [what] you said don't make no sense."

When I bring this up on set, Edwards shifts forward in his seat. He says players such as Garnett could have played in any era but also reiterates his belief in the skill level of the current NBA; he thinks today's players would have succeeded against the previous generation, no matter how much more physical they might have been.

That's when Jefferson slightly eggs him on.

"What, you think you woulda went for if you were in that generation?" Jefferson asks, rubbing his hands together.

"I would've been ..." Edwards starts. The two share a laugh. "They gon' hate me again when I say this -- I already know it."

"I would've been the guy that could match up with MJ. That would have been me. I would've been that guy that would've been guarding him, scoring back on him. I would've been that guy."

"I could see that," Jefferson says. "That's already been the matchup."

Edwards has drawn comparisons to a young Jordan -- they share similar athleticism, fearlessness and confidence on the court. Of course, Jordan had won an MVP award and averaged better than 30 points per game in multiple seasons by the time he reached this point in Edwards' career. Still, there are some Edwards highlights in which the likeness is impossible to deny.

"Some of the stuff he does, you'd be thinkin' like, 'Dang, that's what MJ does,'" Jaden McDaniels says. He mentions the online jokes that say Edwards is MJ's son. "It's like, 'Bruh, you're not beating them allegations. You a little Michael Jordan for real.' How he so athletic dunking on folks ... or he'll pull up [for a jump shot] and be hanging in the air, like, 'Bruh, what is you doing?'"

As for the Jefferson and Moss comparisons, Jefferson is quick to note how much the game has changed. "You put Randy in our scheme now, he definitely would've went crazy," he says. "They [didn't] even throw the ball that much, and see how many yards Jerry Rice had. It's kind of scary.

"Playing 17, 18, 19 years in the NFL is something that's unheard of," Jefferson says, clapping his hands together. "It's gonna be tough. But I'm going for it."

It's a frequent topic of conversation between Jefferson and McCardell at practice sessions. McCardell's career spanned 16 seasons in the NFL, and he wants to pass along to Jefferson how to make the game easier later in his career when he's less dominant physically. "We talk about playing on and on and on and being one of the greats like Jerry," McCardell said. "Because [Jefferson] loves to play football like Jerry."

One thing becomes clear as Jefferson and Edwards turn the conversation toward their legacies: Whatever their reverence for those who came before them, the two will forever be connected by their ambition to do things their own way.

"I feel like in order for us to follow those footsteps, we got to do the same thing," Edwards says. "We're going to be a little more swaggy."

"Put our own lil' sauce to it," Jefferson says. "Little bit more style, little bit more flavor. I think ours is going to be a little bit better -- especially the way we end our careers."


NOBODY SAW IT coming.

At 5-1, the Vikings have one of the best records in the NFL, even though expectations were low coming into the season. Longtime starting quarterback Kirk Cousins went to the Falcons in the offseason, and his would-be replacement, first-round pick J.J. McCarthy, suffered a season-ending injury in the preseason. So the Vikings turned to journeyman Sam Darnold and named him a captain alongside Jefferson, who told his new quarterback to play with swagger. Darnold has done exactly that: He has emerged as an unlikely MVP candidate, in no small part because Jefferson has also been on fire, scoring touchdowns in five of his team's first six games.

"I have to be a leader, the captain of the team," says Jefferson, who signed a four-year, $140 million extension in June. "I have to make sure those guys are ready to go out there and have the confidence to throw me a ball -- even when I'm not fully open."

"Hey, what you say your quarterback's name was?" Edwards asks.

"Sam," Jefferson says.

"Don't be scared to throw my boy the ball, man," Edwards says, pointing to the camera. "If he got two people on him."

Jefferson laughs: "Oh, you ain't gotta tell him that."

"I'm gonna come out there, man," Edwards says. "If you don't throw him the ball ..."

For Jefferson, setting an example starts with the way he practices. Jefferson and Trishton Jackson, a close friend and teammate, started a tradition called "no-gloves Friday" in which they go through receivers drills without gloves and see who has the fewest drops. They'd routinely leave with their hands red, especially with Cousins.

"Some leaders talk, but he's the opposite," Jackson says. "He shows through actions."

The Vikings hope their fast start will translate to their first playoff victory since 2019. The team has never won a Super Bowl but has the highest winning percentage and most playoff appearances of any team that hasn't won the ultimate prize.

"The best part about it is we're not getting talked about a lot," Jefferson says. "When you're sneaking in for the silent kill and they don't see it coming -- that's the best part about it."

Speaking of not seeing it coming, on the eve of training camp, the Wolves shocked fans by trading away Karl-Anthony Towns, the four-time All-Star who was with the organization for nine years. Still, the Wolves won't have the luxury of sneaking up on teams this season after winning 56 games, the second most in franchise history, and making the Western Conference finals for the second time in team history. The only other season in which they've won a playoff series was when they reached the conference finals in 2003-04, the same season Garnett won MVP.

"I feel like it's gonna put a lot more pressure on us," Edwards says about the success of last season. "Once you perform like that you can't not make it to the playoffs or get knocked out in the first round. You gotta mature.

"Last year, we could compete with anybody, but I wasn't good at closing the games out. Whether it's taking a shot or passing the ball. This year, I gotta come in willing to close the games out."

Edwards has said he lost a brother in Towns, but he understands the league is a business. The franchise is handing the keys over to Edwards, who is entering the first season of his five-year contract extension that's worth up to $260 million. The Edwards era in Minnesota has officially arrived.

His teammates have seen a renewed commitment since he returned home with a gold medal from the Paris Olympics. Edwards has been working out at the team's facility since mid-August, more than a month ahead of training camp, and he has been showing teammates what he learned in Europe. At a summer scrimmage, for example, Conley says he was so shocked that Edwards made a backdoor cut to the basket for an easy layup that he stopped the game -- he has been trying to get Edwards to make backdoor cuts for two years.

"He's like, 'Man, I'm telling you, USA basketball, you had to pass and cut, it wasn't like you was getting the ball every time,'" Conley recalls with a smile. "I'm like, 'I'm just so proud of you.' ... I've never seen him more focused on the little things."

It's just one reason Conley believes Edwards is ready to be the face of the franchise.

"There's a little bit of ignorance to it -- where he doesn't know everything," Conley says. "This is new to him, to be considered one of those guys. To be as visible. So with that, he's a guy that he's himself the entire time. He doesn't have to mold into somebody he's not in order to be this guy. So, I think it's going to be easy for him because he's like, 'I'm just going to wear a hoodie to a Netflix premiere.'"

That's just who Edwards is.


JEFFERSON BURSTS out laughing.

We've started playing Uno, which, of course, began with a very, uh, spirited discussion over the rules: Keep pulling cards until you can play. You can respond to a Draw 2 or Draw 4 by stacking another on top of it and the next person has to draw double the amount.

After seeing his hand and also seeing a red No. 9 flipped over to start the game, Edwards asks about a different rule, "Can we put 6s on 9s and 9s on 6s?"

"What type of rules is that?" Jefferson says. "I ain't never heard that rule."

Edwards insists he never played the game much growing up. Meanwhile, Jefferson would play with his brothers all the time; they'd wager $1 or, if they wanted to up the stakes, make the losers do 10 pushups. "I thought I gave you a good hand," Jefferson says.

"Nah, you tried to give me a whole bunch of colors," Edwards says. He pulls a card from the deck and peers again at it face up on the pile, "That's a 9, right?"

Despite the rules being set to not stack numbers, Jefferson throws a set of 2s down at some point. Edwards, at another point, refuses to keep drawing cards if he doesn't have anything to play.

"Aye, I'd rather cheat than repeat," Edwards says with a smile. "Remember that." He lays down a Draw 4 card on Jefferson, who tries to respond with a Draw 2.

"Nah, you can't add that, big dawg," Edwards says. "Ain't no way you can do that one, Jack."

"I mean, you making up yo own rules," Jefferson says with a sheepish smile as he starts pulling from the deck. "I had to make up mine."

Edwards changes the color to green, but I think I have him set up. I lay down my Draw 4, call Uno and confidentially change the color to yellow.

But Edwards stacks with a second Draw 4. Uno. Eight cards to Jefferson.

Dang.

"Wooooooww," Jefferson says.

I don't have any green cards. So, I start pulling and pulling and pulling. Edwards thinks this rule is dumb, "That is the craziest way to play Uno I have ever seen in my life." I'm still searching for a green.

"You bout to pick up eight, too," Jefferson says.

"Bruh, you can't keep pulling cards," Edwards says while I come up empty. I draw another 10 cards before I helplessly throw down a green card.

"Uno out, man." Of course, Edwards wins. "I ain't played Uno since Bruce Lee died, and I won." It's a quick card game, but one that sparks their competitive juices. They plan to hang out more in the future -- play some video games together at the very least.

"I don't play [NBA] 2K, but we can play Madden," Edwards says.

"Why you don't play 2K?" Jefferson asks.

"I ain't playing till I'm a 99," Edwards says, referring to his overall rating in the NBA game. He's currently a 94.

"Straight up," Jefferson laughs, and they dap each other up. "I feel you."

"After this year, maybe," Edwards says.

It's a subtle reminder that these young superstars haven't yet reached their peak. At the end of the day, Jefferson and Edwards sign each other's jerseys. Jefferson takes the black No. 5 Wolves jersey home, while Edwards adds the No. 18 Vikings jersey to his collection.

"You ever need a strong safety, let me know," Edwards says to Jefferson.

"You know how we gon' know you serious?" Jefferson says. "When you take that first lick coming up the middle. You and whoever."

"Me and Derrick Henry," Edwards deadpans.

"WHAAAT?!" Jefferson says.

Through all the jokes about who can play whose sport, or who can play in what generation, it's clear, as they finally walk off the set, what truly connects the two. There's a reason they wanted to recreate the Moss-Edwards photo, and it's not just reverence for the past. It's about their desire to create their own legacy, to be so great that the next generation wants to recreate their photo.

"Everywhere I go I want to leave an impact," Jefferson tells me. "Little kids look up to you and wantin' to be the next big thing -- the next big Anthony Edwards or the next big Justin Jefferson."


Video producers: Luis Aldea and Justin Bey. Video editor: Amanda C. Winkler. Wardrobe styling and grooming by Darnell Booker. Production by Bobbi Peacock and Franny Legge.

Anthony Edwards: Jacket, pants and glasses by Adidas, shirt by Marni, boots by Prada and jewelry by AE5 Enterprises

Justin Jefferson: Jeans, shirt and shoes by Amiri, sunglasses by Oakley and jewelry by Lake Side Diamond

LeBron, Steph, KD and an NBA old guard on the brink

Published in Basketball
Tuesday, 22 October 2024 06:27

As the bus of Americans edged to the curb after midnight in the Opera district in central Paris in August, its occupants poured out in jubilation, gripping champagne bottles and chomping on cigars with medals swinging from their necks.

At the end of a specially designed tunnel into their hotel, which featured a massive image of Kobe Bryant over a message to shut up critics, were their children, lined up and waiting for hugs. Their families, friends and agents, armed with confetti poppers and cellphones in video mode, stood just behind.

For Team USA's three veteran leaders -- LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry -- it was a wonderful feeling. Celebrating gold medals with Steve Kerr, Ty Lue and Erik Spoelstra, coaches with whom they'd individually won gold trophies, made it a familiar feeling.

And, upon reflection, a bit of an old one too.

"It felt damn good to play meaningful basketball. That fire and desire was brought back to me," James said a month later, still basking in the glow of the gold medal win over France.

"To have that feeling again, where you're playing meaningful, real -- every possession means something -- if you make a mistake, it burns you. It was good to relive that moment."

Durant knew exactly what James meant. It seems it was the "old" part that triggered their reaction.

"It was good to refresh the brain a bit," Durant said. "Sometimes you can go through the motions a bit throughout your career when you haven't been on that podium."

Standing on that podium in Paris will be a lasting memory. In the NBA, though, such memories are in danger of fading. It's the paradox that James, Curry and Durant find themselves in coming out of the Olympics -- and into the 2024-2025 season.

Their collective performance over the summer was awe-inspiring and a reaffirmation of their place in the game. Durant had several brilliant games; James was selected Olympics MVP at age 39; and Curry, perhaps most memorably, made 17 3-pointers combined in that tour de force semifinals and finals run.

But as they come into this season, James, Durant and Curry find themselves in a most unfamiliar position -- all underdogs to play in such high-stakes games in their home league.

Between 2012-22, James, Durant or Curry held the Larry O'Brien trophy eight times. It has been only 27 months since the Golden State Warriors' last title. It was only 16 months ago that James and the Los Angeles Lakers were in the Western Conference finals.

Last season, all three were home by the end of the first round. And, frankly, that has been a trend. The Lakers have won a first-round series only once since 2020. Last season, for the third time in five years, the Warriors missed the playoffs altogether.

Durant, for his part, hasn't been past the second round since his Achilles injury in the 2019 Finals. But there's hope Bradley Beal will be healthier and blend in better with Durant and Devin Booker, and the Suns are more highly regarded as contenders this season than James' Lakers or Curry's Warriors. Still, with the challenges of an even deeper Western Conference, the odds they contend for a title are long. ESPN BET gives the Suns the ninth-best championship odds entering the season.

"If you ask, all 30 teams ...have championship aspirations. You probably take eight of them serious," Curry said. "We just have the shadow of ...expectations that we're supposed to be in that conversation."

The Warriors and Lakers, fairly or not, are not in that conversation. They are very much in the shadow of it.

Getting better for the Warriors, this season, would simply mean dodging the play-In tournament, where they've found themselves the past two seasons. The Lakers are in a similar position; they haven't finished higher than seventh in the West in the past four years.

Curry, James and Durant were all selected All-NBA last season. They were the three oldest players selected. Curry played in 74 games, his most in six years. Durant played in 75, his most in five years. James played in 71, the most since he came to the Lakers. Then they dominated in the Olympics. These are not the details of players on the decline.

But the overarching conversation during that timeframe -- and now -- has remained the same: Who is next in line to replace them as the faces of the league?

That's the natural order, yes, but it's also because Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves, Luka Doncic and the Dallas Mavericks and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder are playing on better, more relevant teams. And that's just to name a few.

"I can still get it done," James said, referencing what his powerful Olympic performance proved. "I do have a lot in the tank. A lot. I can help a big part of a team win the ultimate."

He can. But whether he -- or Durant or Curry -- will, again, is quite another matter. Not that any of them are ready to concede.

"When you've been in this league so long, when you've experienced winning and being on top, the goal is still to win it," Durant said. "Regardless of what happened last season."

Ex-Man Utd striker Forlan to make ATP tennis debut

Published in Tennis
Tuesday, 22 October 2024 02:31

Former Manchester United striker Diego Forlan will make his professional tennis debut in an ATP doubles event in his native Uruguay next month.

The 45-year-old, who retired from football in 2019, will play alongside Argentine Federico Coria in the Uruguay Open in Montevideo.

Forlan, who was a promising tennis player in his teens, has been playing in ITF Masters events - most recently in the 45 and over category.

But next month's tournament is a recognised ATP event and sits on the second-tier Challenger Tour, requiring Forlan to get a wildcard.

His partner Coria is the world number 101 in singles, having reached a career-high of 49 in 2023.

Forlan joined Manchester United in 2002 and made 98 appearances for the club before joining La Liga side Villarreal.

In Spain, Forlan won the European Golden Shoe - awarded to the top scorer in Europe - on two occasions.

The forward won the Golden Ball at the 2010 World Cup after Uruguay finished third in South Africa, and helped his country to the 2011 Copa America title.

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